Really strong haiku – really very good question at the end…but what is this 5/7/5 stuff! That has NEVER been a requirement of haiku. Of hokku, yes! For haiku – the form never overrides the meaning, and the ‘syllables’ are for Japanese sounds, and are only applied by some haijin. Too much haiku policing!
You know, some online journals still insist on the 5-7-5 stuff for English haiku, while some others reject them..Since they originated in Japan, traditional syllables are probably more suited to the Japanese language..Anyway, thank you so much as always, Pirate
Hi – thanks, yes – I felt the comment you received with the ”taps” was totally inappropriate and offensive. Haiku has never been mandated as 5/7/5 syllables, even if some bloggers ruin haiku by insisting on it. 5/7/5 comes from hokku, which were the first lines of renga, which was communal poetry, chanted. There is not a haiku haijin in existence who would insist on this for haiku!
Japanese doesn’t have formal syllables anyway. I feel your haiku are beautiful, and forcing you to apply a non-existent rule is petty and manipulative.
5/7/5 serves as useful guidelines at most. Best regards nightlake!
Hi Pirate, I agree with you on the syllables. Most of my haiku do not follow this..took those comments in the fun spirit..I learnt quite a few things today on hokku and renga…and thank you for your kind words of motivation. I am grateful and appreciate your encouragement for my work. Warm Regards, Nightlake
Thanks very much…yes..understand the fun..but….I certainly enjoy reading your work very much, and think it stands out, not needing modification..
few writers can appreciate other writing with generosity..Thank you so much for this! and your encouragement always motivates me..A writer needs this kind of appreciation..Thanks always!
And think you for the kind words! Best regards..!
Anyone for good haiku…!
tap tap tap tap tap, etc…
It is so good to read Haiku done well…!
Yes, Thank You, Padmini…
We are ‘back to dancing’; so our weekends are very busy, and very enjoyable..!
And yours; I hope you enjoyed…!
yes, thank you, Carolyn..’back to dancing’??:)
Oh, sorry Padmini; I very wrongly expected you to know…!
My partner and I do competition ballroom dancing, which demands a lot of practice (which we are happy to do). We also attend 2 social dances on weekends; so weekends are busy and fun… 🙂
we see atrocities around us and wonder if the guardian angels are too scared to come out and uphold justice..similar to the situation when we don’t speak out in the face of cruelty..so our conscience also hides here…well, is it still rather vague??:))
Carpe Diem posts a haiku challenge every day..Here is their link if interested: http://chevrefeuillescarpediem.blogspot.se/2013/01/carpe-diem-100-angels.html
Did you feel my fingers counting the syllables? 🙂
tap tap tap tap tap
tap tap tap tap tap tap tap
tap tap tap tap tap
yes absolutely:) lol:)
Really strong haiku – really very good question at the end…but what is this 5/7/5 stuff! That has NEVER been a requirement of haiku. Of hokku, yes! For haiku – the form never overrides the meaning, and the ‘syllables’ are for Japanese sounds, and are only applied by some haijin. Too much haiku policing!
You know, some online journals still insist on the 5-7-5 stuff for English haiku, while some others reject them..Since they originated in Japan, traditional syllables are probably more suited to the Japanese language..Anyway, thank you so much as always, Pirate
Hi – thanks, yes – I felt the comment you received with the ”taps” was totally inappropriate and offensive. Haiku has never been mandated as 5/7/5 syllables, even if some bloggers ruin haiku by insisting on it. 5/7/5 comes from hokku, which were the first lines of renga, which was communal poetry, chanted. There is not a haiku haijin in existence who would insist on this for haiku!
Japanese doesn’t have formal syllables anyway. I feel your haiku are beautiful, and forcing you to apply a non-existent rule is petty and manipulative.
5/7/5 serves as useful guidelines at most. Best regards nightlake!
Hi Pirate, I agree with you on the syllables. Most of my haiku do not follow this..took those comments in the fun spirit..I learnt quite a few things today on hokku and renga…and thank you for your kind words of motivation. I am grateful and appreciate your encouragement for my work. Warm Regards, Nightlake
Thanks very much…yes..understand the fun..but….I certainly enjoy reading your work very much, and think it stands out, not needing modification..
few writers can appreciate other writing with generosity..Thank you so much for this! and your encouragement always motivates me..A writer needs this kind of appreciation..Thanks always!
And think you for the kind words! Best regards..!
Anyone for good haiku…!
tap tap tap tap tap, etc…
It is so good to read Haiku done well…!
Thank you, Carolyn:) Hope you had a nice weekend
Yes, Thank You, Padmini…
We are ‘back to dancing’; so our weekends are very busy, and very enjoyable..!
And yours; I hope you enjoyed…!
yes, thank you, Carolyn..’back to dancing’??:)
Oh, sorry Padmini; I very wrongly expected you to know…!
My partner and I do competition ballroom dancing, which demands a lot of practice (which we are happy to do). We also attend 2 social dances on weekends; so weekends are busy and fun… 🙂
wow, Carolyn, that sounds like fun:)))
Excellent!
Thank you very much, LuAnn
What does Carpe Diem refer to? The conscience v the angel is a bit esoteric for me, unless you are contrasting myth and reality. Great as Haiku.
we see atrocities around us and wonder if the guardian angels are too scared to come out and uphold justice..similar to the situation when we don’t speak out in the face of cruelty..so our conscience also hides here…well, is it still rather vague??:))
Carpe Diem posts a haiku challenge every day..Here is their link if interested:
http://chevrefeuillescarpediem.blogspot.se/2013/01/carpe-diem-100-angels.html
Thanks for the explanation. No, it wasn’t too vague. I was too vague and I do agree with the theme.
Thank you, Ken
Lovely, thank you.
Angel or conscience? – I lean towards the later
Thank you 🙂
and thank you so much!
good question!
and what is your answer:)